Subdomain or Subfolder in a Post-Panda Web

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Subdomain or Subfolder
 
SEO best practices has traditionally stated that subfolders are the ideal choice for most websites, but when the Google Panda update hit, webmasters all over the web were thrown into a massive suckhole of swirling obscurity. And, ironically, a lot of the sites affected by this update weren’t publishing a lot of low-quality content. So when Matt Cutts came on the scene Post-Panda and told HubPages to “try subdomains” among “other things” to recover from their 50%+ drop in traffic, SEOs started to question conventional wisdom. Should we use a subdomain or subfolder in our site architecture?
 
I looked all over the web for relevant information on the topic, but, surprisingly, not many people have written about this argument since Panda allegedly turned the tables on subfolders. In frustration, I tweeted about it, looking for some resources. I ended up having a very enlightening discussion with Alan Bleiweiss (@alanbleiweiss) from Click2Rank about the merit and potential new-found value of subdomains. Let’s start by answering the questions “what is a subdomain and a subfolder?” and “What are the differences between the two?”


 
There’s no easy “one size fits all” answer for the subdomains or subfolders question, and which one you use depends highly on your site’s individual needs and niches. Here’s a quick overview of what subdomains and subfolders are and how they’re different.
 

Subfolders
A subfolder is a container that resides under a parent folder on a server. It represents one step in the site hierarchy, generally beginning with the home page as the main parent with extra pages added on as subfolders. The URL structure of a subfolder generally follows this format:

 

http://www.maindomain.com/subfolder/

 

Most websites use subfolders in their site structure, and until recently, subdomains have seen relatively limited exposure as an SEO strategy. Open-source content management systems like WordPress and Joomla use this structure as a default.

 

SubdomainsSubdomain Image
A subdomain is a domain that is a smaller part of a larger (or root) domain. In a search engine’s eyes, a subdomain behaves more like its own website than a subfolder, and not as much (and some SEOs say none at all) authority is transferred from the root domain as with a subfolder. A subdomain’s URL structure is as follows:

 

http://subdomain.maindomain.com/

 

or

 

http://www.subdomain.maindomain.com/

 

Most SEOs argue against using subdomains except under very specific and applicable circumstances. Since it’s essentially like managing an entirely new site, inexperienced webmasters are counseled against using them.

 

Has this traditional belief changed with Panda? Let’s take a look at the HubPages “Panda recovery process.” HubPages is an online publishing platform that allows their users to easily monetize their content. They provided a space for creating the content (much like Blogger or WordPress) and added a monetizable infrastructure. And, until just recently, they used a subfolder of hubpages.com for each user.
 
When the Panda update hit, HubPages saw a steep drop in traffic—reportedly over 50% of their pageviews vanished—and they were at a loss as to how to recover. They appealed to Matt Cutts, Google’s spam department head and Google’s general liaison to the SEO community, for ways they could land back in Google’s good graces. Cutts advised them to “try subdomains among other things.”
 
HubPages implemented Cutt’s advice by moving all of their users from a subfolder(hubpages.com/user/) to a subdomain (user.hubpages.com), much like the structure seen on WordPress and Blogger sites. In the above linked post on HubPages’ blog, they state that doing so “should allow each author to be judged by Google separately” and not damage the overall integrity of the site.
 

What Worked for HubPages?

It would appear at first glance that by pulling all of the users into their own subdomain helped HubPages resolve their Panda-related woes by allowing Google to judge each user’s HUB as its own entity, without damaging the integrity of the entire site. By giving each user their own subdomain, HubPages is telling Google “each of these pages reflects a separate author” so that, when Panda finds something worthy of a smack-down, it damages only the content on that subdomain.

 
So when should you use subdomains instead of subfolders? Before you go out converting your entire site to subdomains from subfolders, let’s take a look at this argument with a post-Panda perspective. I peppered Alan Bleiweiss with questions about subfolders and subdomains. Here is an excerpt from the email I received from him:
 

The issue of subdomains vs. subfolders is not an “always one or the other” scenario.  Each has its benefits and its disadvantages.

Having said that, I’ll see if I can answer each question within the context you provide.

Subdomains are not equal to subfolders but it’s not because of a simple “here’s why” answer.  Each has its own value based on circumstances that need to be considered in light of a site’s overall purpose, focus and optimization resources.

For example – if you have limited resources for ongoing SEO, it’s usually better to stick with subfolders.  The ability to consistently provide new content and drive links across a generalized self-contained domain usually requires less effort. This is because every quality page in every subfolder adds to the greater good.  Where this becomes less true is when you try to go too wide with high level related topics, or intent.

One example of trying to go too wide or spread topical intent too thin is if you have a site all about widgets.  If most of the content is informational, and then you want to offer a wide variety of widget products for sale, you cross from informational into sales.  In that scenario, it would probably be better to split out the sales content into a separate subdomain.

So Shop.Domain.com and News.Domain.com would, given the ability to drive continual updates and inbound links and social buzz to each, get you more value sooner from each than if you had domain.com/shop and domain.com/news. If you don’t have the resources to manage that effort, you get better results by going with subfolders – because each subdomain is also ultimately it’s own from-scratch site.

Subdomains, when properly optimized, and provided with ongoing efforts, can, by nature, receive more ranking value simply because they have a much tighter topical focus than a site that spreads itself out over many topics. This is counter-weighed by the fact that a self-contained domain gets its highest topical focus value boosted by adding more highly related content within the site, especially as those additional areas/sections of the site themselves get a boost.

So again - it comes down to resources. Have enough resources, and you can get subdomains ranked higher sooner, and for longer. But only if it makes sense for other reasons as well (enough content over time to justify a full subdomain, or alternately, where having it all in one domain will end up going too wide).

An example of going too wide over time with subfolders is where you have more than a handful of top level categories. You shouldn’t have 20, 30 or 50 top level categories. Navigation and usability becomes damaged. And so too, does SEO.

 
Subfolders, he points out, are best for most cases. If your site has a fairly narrow topical focus (movie reviews, an SEO blog, a strictly news site) then subfolders allows you to transfer a lot of the authority that your root domain has to these pages to help them rank quickly. It also makes navigation a whole lot easier.
 
If, on the other hand, your site covers a wide variety of topics (product reviews, in-depth book reviews) or has a lot of user generated content (like HubPages, WordPress or Blogger), then separating your content into subdomains will net greater results, assuming you have the SEO resources to do so. In the former case, a tighter topical focus shows Google that your site is focused and relevant, allowing it to rank higher for associated keywords. In the latter, separating user generated content into its own subdomain allows Panda to penalize low-quality content and leaves the quality content producers untouched.
 
What do you think? What does this mean for you? Are you thinking of changing your site structure as a result of Panda and HubPages’ impressive recovery? Are you content with subfolders? Let me know what you think in the comments.

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  • http://iPositions.co.uk/ iPositions.co.uk

    This article was brilliant, I was creating a directory and wasn’t sure whether to have sub-directories separating the different categories or to use subdomains. Thanks for the advice!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alli-Roman/100003686738152 Alli Roman

    Excellent article about subdomains vs. subfolders – just what I was looking for, thank you!

  • sergey marchuk

    some good info here :) thanks!

  • Ian B

    Great article. Pretty much got all the info I was looking for, and I learned some things! Cheers!

  • http://www.invowel.com/ Rohit

    Thanks its a nice post… I love to install wordpress at subfolder of my main blog.

  • Hus Work

    Very nice post , we are an e commerce company and we focus on motorcycle parts oem and after market. After reading you post i would stick with Sub folders. If that is wrong, please feel free to let me know. our website is http://www.motorcyclehouse.com

  • PolicyMedical

    Great article! One of the few I’ve found that mentions Panda’s affect on subdomain/subfolder. What would you recommend as best practices for geographic segmentation of a website, especially if those geographies require the website(s) to be in different languages? 

    Thanks,
    Daisy

    • http://twitter.com/mitchmonsen Mitch Monsen

      If the sites are in different languages, it’d probably be wiser to use the language-specific TLD (.co.uk, .es, and so on). If that’s not possible, it’d be best to put each language in its own subdomain, so it’s treated as its own website, as Mashable does (mashable.com, fr.mashable.com, etc).

  • http://www.spunkyjones.com/ Spunky Jones SEO

    I am expanding and going to create a blog network. I have been trying to figure out if I want to go with sub folders or sub domains. Basically, my new blog will cover topics, a to z. Therefore, I want to make the best choice of what way to go.

    It will use WordPress with the network installation. From what I gather, I might be better off with sub domains because of the wide range of topics. As far as SEO, seems like sites rank better when they follow a niche and don’t wander too far from it.

    From what I understand, the network install, will use the same WordPress theme and plugins. That will be much easier to deal with than several separate installations of WordPress. Therefore, I am leaning towards using sub domains with the network install.

    Thanks for information about sub folders versus sub domains.

  • http://desihacker.net/ Aman Kharbanda

    After reading your post i have decided to move to subfolder, resources is one of the big reason for this. My site lost 75% of traffic on 10/10/2012
    I became sad because all my effort was ruined. But none the less now i have decided to do the SEO once again. Hope for the best, thanks for the informative article

  • Mike

    I have a well established (13 years) website for a company doing business in Detroit.  We are now expanding into Chicago.  Do you recommend I use a subdomain or subfolders for the new Chicago content?  Thanks.

  • Dave Reynolds

    Great post.  Another perspective which may be useful.  I just moved a WordPress blog out from under our main domain and moved it to Tumblr and established a subdomain at blog.7regentlane.com.  This definitely impacted our organic search rankings.  Why did we do it?  We are an ecommerce site and the WordPress installation was causing a lot of issues and false positives which lengthened and complicated our PCI compliance process.

    So, now we’re re-introducing content in our freshly relocated blog.  Not sure how long it will take to bubble up in the rankings again but this clearly reinforces that the subdirectory approach, at least for a single topic site like us (we sell tailored suits and shirts) contributes to the site authority significantly.  However, since our new blog isn’t that old and doesn’t yet have all the content back up it remains to be seen if it’s equally as effective when fully established.

  • Dam

    I’ve a blog news from 6 years with 6.000 post, now I must insert 800.000 lyrics;

    Do you recommend I use a subdomain or subfolders for lyrics? Thanks.

  • Larry Patterson

    If there is (near) duplicate content in the subfolders- i.e. same info for locations in different cities, I would think that subfolders would be better- to eliminate the potential for duplicate content issues among subdomains if indeed they are viewed as separate websites. I would appreciate any feedback on this

  • Eveline

    Great article! What would you recommend with corporate content: corporate.website.com or website.com/corporate?

  • Ani T.

    I recently had to change my blog from a subfolder to a subdomain. I was very hesitant about it because it’s my blog that brings in most traffic, but my hosting company said there was no other way and they assured me that it was not going to affect my SEO. However it’s about a week later and I have lost a lot of traffic. I was wondering if this is temporary, or if my blog is now viewed as a brand new website and will take months to start ranking again. Do you by any chance have any information about this?

  • http://twitter.com/thisisquitegood Ashu Gupta

    Thanks Very much for this article. Earlier I was thinking to create different subdomains for my website http://www.wpcPuzzlesOnline.com and your article is very much helpful in deciding about it.

  • c_marchesini

    Nice article… does it hurt SEO to have for example some split sites? For example some subfolders and some subdomains? Or is better to decide with one option and just use that. This is my site http://www.potencialdigital.com and I also have a blog. For the site I use subfolders and for the blog subdomains. Does it affect my seo? Thanks!! Chris

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